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		<title>The Cordoba Initiative and Manhattan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hadn't planned on writing anything here about the <a href="http://www.cordobainitiative.org/">Cordoba Initiative</a> and it's planned Park 51 Islamic Cultural Center in Lower Manhattan. Not because I don't care about religious freedom (I do) and not because I'm not disgusted by the idiotic vitriol that comes from conservatives when they talk about it (I am), but because I really don't care where they put the center.

Again: I really don't care where the center is. I'm not a Muslim, although I find much beauty in Islam. I'm also not a New Yorker, although I find much beauty in New York City. So really: wherever they want to put the center is alright with me, and I think that should be the default position for everyone who is not immediately affected by its presence. Nonetheless, almost everyone who is weighing in on the issue is not affected at all by its presence or its location, and I have to admit at this point that anything that can add or restate intelligent words to this conversation deserves to be there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t planned on writing anything here about the <a href="http://www.cordobainitiative.org/">Cordoba Initiative</a> and it&#8217;s planned Park 51 Islamic Cultural Center in Lower Manhattan. Not because I don&#8217;t care about religious freedom (I do) and not because I&#8217;m not disgusted by the idiotic vitriol that comes from conservatives when they talk about it (I am), but because I really don&#8217;t care where they put the center.</p>
<p>Again: I really don&#8217;t care where the center is. I&#8217;m not a Muslim, although I find much beauty in Islam. I&#8217;m also not a New Yorker, although I find much beauty in New York City. So really: wherever they want to put the center is alright with me, and I think that should be the default position for everyone who is not immediately affected by its presence<sup><a href="http://jonathanstegall.com/2010/08/20/the-cordoba-initiative-and-manhattan/#footnote_0_2981" id="identifier_0_2981" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="I don&amp;#8217;t think that families of 9/11 victims are immediately affected by its presence. Rather, folks who live and work in that area today are, and the vast majority of them are heavily in favor of the presence of the center.">1</a></sup>. Nonetheless, almost everyone who is weighing in on the issue is not affected at all by its presence or its location, and I have to admit at this point that anything that can add or restate intelligent words to this conversation deserves to be there.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve followed the maddening discussion, you know that there are a number of talking points that folks representing American conservatism are using.</p>
<p>One is, of course, from Sarah Palin, and is the idea that the specific site is somehow hallowed because of its proximity to the World Trade Center. If you&#8217;ve taken this statement with any seriousness at all, I&#8217;d encourage you to look through these photos of the <a href="http://daryllang.com/blog/4421">&#8220;hallowed ground&#8221;</a>. All of these things are the same distance from the site of the WTC as the Park 51 Center.</p>
<p>Another point that folks have used is that Muslims should be allowed to build a mosque near 9/11 when there are churches in places of various sites that they think are equivalent, from Saudi Arabia to the older Ground Zeroes of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As for Saudi Arabia, when Gingrich wants us to model our religious freedom on Saudi Arabia&#8217;s, he can run his mouth as much as he wants. If you&#8217;re curious about Japan, there are Christian churches within a mile of each of the Ground Zeroes in Japan, one mile in Hiroshima and half a mile in Nagasaki. The Japanese, after enduring disasters massively worse than ours at the hands of a &#8220;Christian nation&#8221; in an act that is still defended by many Christian theologians, have not decided that a mile is too close.</p>
<p>The other one I&#8217;ve seen the most is that the imam who runs the Cordoba Initiative has said things critical of American foreign policy, and stated that U.S. policy was <a href="http://www.islamfortoday.com/60minutes.htm">an accessory to what happened</a> on 9/11. Most of the vocal conservatives go insane when anyone who is not one of them says this, whether it be Jeremiah Wright, Ron Paul, or Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf. But the fact is, it&#8217;s true. It doesn&#8217;t change the nature of the attacks, though it should have changed our response to them.</p>
<p>In any case, I don&#8217;t think the point of these talking points is really to have an answer for why the center shouldn&#8217;t be built in the proposed location, as the people using them are (I think) well aware that they are just things that sound good to their base, rather than solid logic. But I think it is important to deal with these talking points anyway, simply because if they go away it will become clear that the opposition to the center is based on anti-Islamic sentiment and an inability to separate terrorists from the rest of Islam the same way we can separate Christian theocrats from the rest of Christianity.</p>
<p>That is what needs to go away; not a cultural center on the progressive side of Islam in a neighborhood with strip clubs, Burger Kings, BBQ, and pubs. We can&#8217;t afford to keep these sentiments, and to his credit even Bush was willing to admit that.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_2981" class="footnote">I don&#8217;t think that families of 9/11 victims are immediately affected by its presence. Rather, folks who live and work in that area today are, and the vast majority of them are heavily in favor of the presence of the center.</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Thinking of Israel</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I've never been a person who wanted to go to Israel. I've known lots of people who wanted to go, and a good number of people - pastors and professors and such - who have been, but nothing I'd heard in the past has been at all compelling. Plus, I find most of the talk of Israel, both within the church and within American politics on both sides, to be disgusting, and that doesn't help. Israel is an occupying force, and no one wants to talk about it.

But recently, I've seen a different side, that of nonviolent activism for peace, on the part of Israelis and Palestinians, starting with <a href="http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/30/video-jewish-american-and-palestinian-nonviolence-advocates-talk-with-jon-stewart/">this interview</a> on The Daily Show a couple of months ago, but really becoming something else entirely with the current trip that <a href="http://brianmclaren.net/">Brian McLaren</a>, <a href="http://miketodd.typepad.com/waving_or_drowning/">Mike Todd</a>, and other folks are on a trip "to see the places where the Spirit of God is working now - for reconciliation, justice, and peace in the midst of turmoil."]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been a person who wanted to go to Israel. I&#8217;ve known lots of people who wanted to go, and a good number of people &#8211; pastors and professors and such &#8211; who have been, but nothing I&#8217;d heard in the past has been at all compelling. Plus, I find most of the talk of Israel, both within the church and within American politics on both sides, to be disgusting, and that doesn&#8217;t help. Israel is an occupying force, and no one wants to talk about it.</p>
<p>But recently, I&#8217;ve seen a different side, that of nonviolent activism for peace, on the part of Israelis and Palestinians, starting with <a href="http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/30/video-jewish-american-and-palestinian-nonviolence-advocates-talk-with-jon-stewart/">this interview</a> on The Daily Show a couple of months ago, but really becoming something else entirely with the trip that <a href="http://brianmclaren.net/">Brian McLaren</a>, <a href="http://miketodd.typepad.com/waving_or_drowning/">Mike Todd</a>, and other folks have been on a trip &#8220;to see the places where the Spirit of God is working now &#8211; for reconciliation, justice, and peace in the midst of turmoil.&#8221;</p>
<p>I want to draw attention to the things that have been said about and during, and the issues that are being examined. I&#8217;m sure both of them will continue reflecting now that they are home, and I encourage you to read all of their thoughts on this.</p>
<p>Brian, at one point, writes several things that have stuck out to me:</p>
<blockquote><p>If you get a chance to go to Israel and Palestine, I encourage you to take it &#8211; but only if you can go on an alternative tour that will have you spending time in the West Bank, meeting both Palestinians and Israelis so you can see for yourself how different the reality is from the impressions gained from our well-managed media and highly-lobbied government.</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/two-photos-from-the-west-bank.html">January 29</a></cite></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>We have spoken with many Palestinians in the West Bank and in East Jerusalem so far in our pilgrimage, both Christian and Muslim. Their voices are seldom heard in our corporate media, so it has made sense to meet, listen to, and understand them. But of course we&#8217;ve met with Israeli folks too. Yesterday we had some particularly important conversations with Israeli Jewish voices. They agreed that there will be no change in Israeli policy until the US decides to stop giving Israel a blank check.</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/jewish-voices.html">January 27</a></cite></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>If you&#8217;ve never been in both Israel and Palestine, I hope you will start questioning what you think you know about the situation here. I&#8217;ve been an avid reader on the subject for quite a while, but being here now, I see how many of my most basic assumptions were skewed from a lifetime of half-truths, unfair and imbalanced news, well-planned propaganda, and misinformation.</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/dead-sea-nazareth-capernaum-regi.html">January 25</a></cite></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>It was a reminder that the struggle here is not about people. It&#8217;s not about Jews versus Palestinians or vice versa. It&#8217;s not about choosing who the good guys and bad guys are, as our media so often portrays it (and sadly, as our religious leaders so often do as well).</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/reflections-from-ramallah-taybeh.html">January 23</a></cite></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>But what is especially powerful &#8211; and what keeps us from being overwhelmed with cynicism or anger &#8211; is the lack of hatred among the Palestinians we are meeting with &#8211; both Christians and Muslims. Again and again we hear the word &#8220;non-violent&#8221; and we see a desire not for revenge or even isolation &#8230; but for reconciliation. To my surprise (based on expectations from the US media), I haven&#8217;t met a single Palestinian who wants a two-state solution. They want to live in peace with Israelis.</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/more-from-the-west-bank.html">January 22</a></cite></p></blockquote>
<p>Mike writes equally poignant things, though he does not blog as much when he travels and will write more in the coming days and weeks:</p>
<blockquote><p>The church has for too long swallowed the prevailing narrative about Israel&#8217;s policies in the occupied territories without question.</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://miketodd.typepad.com/waving_or_drowning/2010/01/the-road-ahead.html">January 29</a></cite></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>This is not about choosing sides. However, I&#8217;ll repeat an earlier assertion I&#8217;ve made, and that is that we have been fed a narrative that is simply wrong. It&#8217;s fiction, if you will. More about that to come I&#8217;m sure, but this is a big one: The church in the west must start thinking again, and not simply buy what we are told. From where I&#8217;m sitting this morning we are looking very foolish.</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://miketodd.typepad.com/waving_or_drowning/2010/01/alive-and-well-in-jerusalem.html">January 25</a></cite></p></blockquote>
<p>Again, I can&#8217;t encourage you enough to read the full posts, and the other things that Mike and Brian will be writing as they continue to process.</p>
<p>But I have to say: this honestly makes me willing to go to Israel on this kind of trip, should the opportunity ever arise. There is a beauty that is present there that, certainly we could assume was there, but I at least hadn&#8217;t heard anything about &#8211; people who have voices that we need to hear, stories that would inspire and change us, and a real desire for peace and nonviolent reconciliation.</p>
<p>I would like to see Barack Obama sit in this realm with his discussions of and with Israel. He is often accused of standing against Israel, but this is a completely unrealistic accusation as there is never any criticism or attempt to talk about the issues of segregation and oppression by Israel. This is consistently bolstered by the unwavering support of Israel in whatever it does by the mainstream media, to the point that it really is politically impossible for anyone on any side of American politics to criticize Israel for any of the oppressive things it does, or to suggest that there really is a necessity for reconciliation.</p>
<p>The American church today should be in this part of the story, seeking ways to encourage peace and reconciliation, but instead it is contributing to this kind of political climate, using various theological concepts to suggest that Israel is blessed by God regardless of what it does. Do you see the opportunity we could have?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see more people go on trips like this, and come back to tell us what they see and learn. I&#8217;d love to see our role in this change.</p>
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		<title>Hello, 2010</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 04:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right. So 2010 is a few days old now. Welcome to it. Lots of folks have been reflecting upon 2009, reflecting upon the 2000s, and imagining things for 2010 and the 2010s. It's been really interesting. I want to draw focused attention to a couple of things I've read over the last few days - <a href="http://fasterfuture.blogspot.com/2009/12/2020-vision.html">2020 vision</a>, an imagining of the next decade, and also Don Miller's <a href="http://donmilleris.com/2010/01/01/living-a-good-story-an-alternative-to-new-years-resolutions/">Living a Good Story, an Alternative to New Years Resolutions</a>. Both are fantastic, for different reasons. I've written several times about the impact that <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0785213066?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=jonathanstega-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=390957&#038;creativeASIN=0785213066">Don Miller's new book</a> had on me this year, and this post is similar.

In addition to these thoughts, I have spent the last couple of days in a suburb of Chicago at <a href="http://www.careerbuilder.com/">our</a> annual company kickoff, which does, and evokes, this kind of reflecting upon the previous year and the new year, in the context of the company. Each year various leaders from different areas of the organization speak, and a couple of outside folks speak as well. This year, we had the fascinating privilege of hearing Bill Clinton speak.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. So 2010 is a few days old now. Welcome to it. Lots of folks have been reflecting upon 2009, reflecting upon the 2000s, and imagining things for 2010 and the 2010s. It&#8217;s been really interesting. I want to draw focused attention to a couple of things I&#8217;ve read over the last few days &#8211; <a href="http://fasterfuture.blogspot.com/2009/12/2020-vision.html">2020 vision</a>, an imagining of the next decade, and also Don Miller&#8217;s <a href="http://donmilleris.com/2010/01/01/living-a-good-story-an-alternative-to-new-years-resolutions/">Living a Good Story, an Alternative to New Years Resolutions</a>. Both are fantastic, for different reasons. I&#8217;ve written several times about the impact that <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0785213066?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jonathanstega-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0785213066">Don Miller&#8217;s new book</a> had on me this year, and this post is similar.</p>
<p>In addition to these thoughts, I have spent the last couple of days in a suburb of Chicago at <a href="http://www.careerbuilder.com/">our</a> annual company kickoff, which does, and evokes, this kind of reflecting upon the previous year and the new year, in the context of the company. Each year various leaders from different areas of the organization speak, and a couple of outside folks speak as well. This year, we had the fascinating privilege of hearing Bill Clinton speak.</p>
<p>I want to look at that event in particular, after encouraging you to read the links above, as a way to open the year. Happy New Year.</p>
<h2>Clinton on The 21st Century</h2>
<p>A big part of Clinton&#8217;s speech was about the idea that the 21st century will be a &#8220;contest between positive and negative interdependence and interconnectedness.&#8221; It was a brilliant concept, exemplified by the internet, the energy crisis, terrorism and its connections to globalization, and any number of other positive and negative things in our society. He further developed this thought by observing that the world today is:</p>
<ul>
<li>Too unequal
<p>Both in the United States and abroad. This is exemplified in the States by the ever-widening gap between the rich and the poor, and the healthcare situation. Most of the examples here do relate to money. In the developing world, his examples varied from water to health to technology, and discussed things that <a href="http://www.clintonfoundation.org/">his foundation</a> is doing in various areas.</p>
</li>
<li>Too insecure and unstable
<p>With examples from terrorism, economics and disease, he talked about the state of the world in which all of us live. We cause and are affected by terrorism, we have a demonstrably insecure economic state, and diseases from many causes continue to affect most of the world.</p>
</li>
<li>Too unsustainable
<p>Obviously, climate change is one of the most upfront examples of the unsustainability of our environmental systems. Aside from this, though, I&#8217;ve written and spoken about how, regardless of political viewpoints, we should see our current systems as unsustainable, from perspectives of ethics, human rights, and our own disconnectedness from things around us.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Clinton spoke further on issues of economics and human rights with regard to the current recession and whether or not America will retain its global primacy to which it has become so accustomed. He observed that America&#8217;s primacy is due, in many ways, to the fall of communism as much as it is anything else, and it&#8217;s okay if we are not the supreme power in the earth, whether we lose it to India, China, or some other situation entirely. He put it this way:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is immoral for us to keep others poor so that we can be number one.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>For Clinton, the biggest problem in poor countries today is <strong>lack of capacity</strong>, from perspectives of money, health, and resources. The biggest problem in rich countries is <strong>rigidity</strong>. We have large, entrenched systems in which many people have many things invested, and thus have a lot to lose from any kind of evolution in these systems. These are people who should care about changing these systems to deal with the world&#8217;s problems, but they have become rigid in the interest of self-preservation. This is exemplified by our policies on healthcare, energy, the environment, and any number of other things.</p>
<h2>Q &amp; A</h2>
<p>Whenever there are speakers at these company events, there is usually a Q &amp; A period at the end, between our CEO and the speaker. This one had a couple of questions that really stood out to me.</p>
<h3>What contributed to his success</h3>
<p>Clinton was asked to give some things that contributed to his success in life and as a leader. He responded with a couple of things that I didn&#8217;t at all expect that really stood out to me:</p>
<ul>
<li>Growing up in an oral culture of storytellers. This, for him, taught him how to listen- knowing that everyone has an interesting story, as well as how to see things playing out in individual lives.</li>
<li>Growing up in the Civil Rights movement. This taught him how to find something bigger than himself that he could fight for.</li>
</ul>
<h3>Things to focus on</h3>
<p>He was also asked what kind of things he would say to folks like us, many of whom are young in our careers. He responded with several important things:</p>
<ul>
<li>The vast majority of humans do not have choices like we do. We have choices, and should not give them away.</li>
<li>Know our minds and hearts.</li>
<li>Try to do something we like and love. If we can&#8217;t do the best we can, even if we don&#8217;t like the job, but only do it until we can get out and do what we love.</li>
</ul>
<h2>Overall</h2>
<p>So in essence, the talk was perceptive and challenging. It intentionally focused on stories and facts, to a large extent avoiding asking folks to take political positions on the stories and facts. I haven&#8217;t been a huge fan of Clinton as a politician, both in the 2008 primaries and in parts of his presidency, but in the recent times I&#8217;ve seen him talk, both on the <a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-17-2009/exclusive---bill-clinton-extended-interview-pt--1">Daily Show</a> and in this event, he has been fantastic.</p>
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		<title>Dr. Cornel West in Atlanta</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, I had the privilege of listening to <a href="http://www.cornelwest.com/">Dr. Cornel West</a> speak in Atlanta, at Emory University's State of Race event. I was very late in coming to an awareness of Dr. West, as I didn't know about him until <a href="http://www.callandresponse.com/">Call and Response</a> came out last year. But since then, hearing him say, "Remember that justice is what love looks like in public," I have been a fan and admirer, and have learned much about him.

So when I went to see him, I had a pretty good idea of what to expect, and it was a great conversation. The event lasted for an hour and a half or so, and was (very) roughly divided like this: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_questioning">Socratic questioning</a>, prophetic critique, and question/answer time. All of these things related in one way or another to race, but much more broadly applied and dealing with humanity, as that "which is born between urine and feces."]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, I had the privilege of listening to <a href="http://www.cornelwest.com/">Dr. Cornel West</a> speak in Atlanta, at Emory University&#8217;s State of Race event. I was very late in coming to an awareness of Dr. West, as I didn&#8217;t know about him until <a href="http://www.callandresponse.com/">Call and Response</a> came out last year. But since then, hearing him say, &#8220;Remember that justice is what love looks like in public,&#8221; I have been a fan and admirer, and have learned much about him.</p>
<p>So when I went to see him, I had a pretty good idea of what to expect, and it was a great conversation. The event lasted for an hour and a half or so, and was (very) roughly divided like this: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_questioning">Socratic questioning</a>, prophetic critique, and question/answer time. All of these things related in one way or another to race, but much more broadly applied and dealing with humanity, as that &#8220;which is born between urine and feces.&#8221;</p>
<p>During his thoughts on Socratic questioning, Dr. West spoke profoundly to our unwillingness to critically examine and question ourselves, both individually and as a culture. He spoke of Plato&#8217;s statement that &#8220;the unexamined life is not worth living,” and led into another of Plato&#8217;s statements, that &#8220;philosophy is a meditation on and a preparation for death.&#8221;</p>
<p>Through this, we were led into transformation, both as individuals and as a society, because in Plato&#8217;s mind (and, in West&#8217;s view, the mind of Paul), transformation doesn&#8217;t happen without death. We must learn how to die to things. Further, for West, we must learn how love relates to all this, because in love we die as isolated selves and are reborn as selves that are entangled with another self.</p>
<p>It is fascinating and beautiful how all this speaks to the story of God, and yet clearly does it in a way that sidesteps the traps of overt religion, which still allows him to bring in his thoughts on Jesus, thoughts on the cross, thoughts on the spiritual traditions that were birthed in slavery and empire, and how all of these things are preserved in churches, art, and music.</p>
<p>So from this, he spoke to us about the Hebrew prophetic tradition, that which lived and suffered under empire &#8211; both its own, as Brueggemann tells us in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0800632877?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jonathanstega-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0800632877">The Prophetic Imagination</a>, and under the empires that surrounded and oppressed it. He spoke of Isaiah, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%201:15-18&amp;version=NIV">weeping over injustice</a>, Amos asking for <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=amos%205:23-25&amp;version=NIV">justice to roll down</a>, and of Jeremiah. Here, he reminded us that he wasn&#8217;t speaking of Jeremiah Wright, though he does feel that they were doing some of the same things.<sup><a href="http://jonathanstegall.com/2009/10/29/dr-cornel-west-in-atlanta/#footnote_0_2134" id="identifier_0_2134" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="In light of that, though Dr. West didn&amp;#8217;t go into it, I want to look at that similarity, as I think it was profoundly missed during the discussions of Rev. Wright last year. Though there are many places where the two Jeremiahs meet, it is the most controversial that I want to look at:

&amp;#8230;wants us to sing &amp;#8216;God Bless America.&amp;#8217; No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America &mdash; that&amp;#8217;s in the Bible &mdash; for killing innocent people. God damn America, for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America, as long as she tries to act like she is God, and she is supreme.

Jeremiah doesn&amp;#8217;t specifically use the words, &amp;#8220;God damn America,&amp;#8221; though many prophets have this essential message for oppression, but what I specifically see is that the statement, &amp;#8220;God bless America,&amp;#8221; is a statement of civil religion that Jeremiah Wright has turned upside down. Jeremiah the prophet does an identical thing, standing in the temple in Jerusalem:
Do not trust in deceptive words and say, &amp;#8220;This is the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD!&amp;#8221; If you really change your ways and your actions and deal with each other justly, if you do not oppress the alien, the fatherless or the widow and do not shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not follow other gods to your own harm, then I will let you live in this place, in the land I gave your forefathers for ever and ever.

Jeremiah has taken the saying of civil religion, &amp;#8220;this is the temple of the LORD,&amp;#8221; and turned it against oppression. Civil religion didn&amp;#8217;t like it, and it doesn&amp;#8217;t like it anymore today than it did then.
">1</a></sup></p>
<p>That these were empires that forgot their humanity, forgot the poor and oppressed, and forgot to examine themselves, as we have done. He talked at great length about these aspects of justice, and again reminded us to &#8220;Understand that justice is what love looks like in public.&#8221; He spoke of the ways in which this has been lived out in nonviolence through the black tradition, and how it has led to the creation of arts of compassion &#8211; Negro spirituals, blues, jazz, and so on that were birthed out of suffering.</p>
<p>Dr. West looked back on the creation of our experiment in democracy that didn&#8217;t address slavery in the Constitution, not because it was below the ideal but because it didn&#8217;t examine itself. He reminded us that the birds came home to roost during the Civil War, and that Abraham Lincoln had supported a Constitutional amendment that would have made slavery permanent until the abolitionist movement caused him to be great. The people who sought justice rose up, and he listed many of these names, and caused Lincoln to become a great president.</p>
<p>In light of this, Dr. West reflected upon the end of the Reagan era in American politics, and expressed great hope that we will stop caring for the rich and strong, which he sees as a marker of that time,<sup><a href="http://jonathanstegall.com/2009/10/29/dr-cornel-west-in-atlanta/#footnote_1_2134" id="identifier_1_2134" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Though there is great disagreement with Reagan, Dr. West still rejoiced in the times when Reagan did care for the poor and oppressed, such as those in Eastern Europe under the empire of the Soviet Union.">2</a></sup> but care for the poor and weak. Not to be against the rich, but to be <em>for the poor</em>, and to have that place from which to look at things &#8211; that place of <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025:31-46&amp;version=NIV">Matthew 25</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, he spoke of Barack Obama&#8217;s election, and the fact that he has not yet shown that he will care for the weak and poor, but has continued to care for the rich and powerful. From a race perspective, he reminded us that this election is not the end of racism or beginning of a post-racial era, but a marker that white America is less racist. This is a wonderful thing we can all rejoice in, but that is all it is. Blacks, he reminded us, have looked past the color of a candidate&#8217;s skin for decades, and no one has asked if they were post-racial.</p>
<p>Dr. West offers a critical support to Obama and seeks to be a prophetic voice in that space, as he has since before the Iowa vote last year, and recognizes that Obama is the leader of the biggest empire in the world, and has a different calling than Dr. West does, which reminds me of Martin Luther King&#8217;s statement that the church must be the conscience of the state. As he did in his <a href="http://fora.tv/2009/10/09/Brother_West_Living_and_Loving_Out_Loud#Cornel_West_Sounds_Off_on_Obamas_Nobel_Peace_Prize">video remarks</a> a few weeks ago, Dr. West said it will be hard to be a war president with a peace prize.</p>
<p>The official event ended along these lines, reminding us to bring Obama, and culture in general, to greatness and push him to care for the poor and weak. There were some questions from the audience, including one that I especially appreciated on the Israel/Palestine issue. Dr. West responded at length, reminding us that the Israelis were victimized in the heart of Europe, and still think of this even as they are victimizing Arabs. We in the United States are afraid to even have a conversation about what they are doing. The hope in this, for Dr. West, is that the Jews will begin to have love and compassion for the Arabs, and that it will be seen as a tragedy for anyone to be victimized.</p>
<p>So all in all, this was a profound, challenging event that taught me a great deal and filled me with any number of emotions and thoughts. Dr. West is currently on <a href="http://www.cornelwest.com/calendar.html">a book tour</a> that you should see, if you can.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_2134" class="footnote">In light of that, though Dr. West didn&#8217;t go into it, I want to look at that similarity, as I think it was profoundly missed during the discussions of Rev. Wright last year. Though there are many places where the two Jeremiahs meet, it is the most controversial that I want to look at:<br />
<blockquote>
<p>&#8230;wants us to sing &#8216;God Bless America.&#8217; No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America — that&#8217;s in the Bible — for killing innocent people. God damn America, for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America, as long as she tries to act like she is God, and she is supreme.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Jeremiah doesn&#8217;t specifically use the words, &#8220;God damn America,&#8221; though many prophets have this essential message for oppression, but what I specifically see is that the statement, &#8220;God bless America,&#8221; is a statement of civil religion that Jeremiah Wright has turned upside down. Jeremiah the prophet does an identical thing, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah%207:1-27&amp;version=NIV">standing in the temple in Jerusalem</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Do not trust in deceptive words and say, &#8220;This is the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD!&#8221; If you really change your ways and your actions and deal with each other justly, if you do not oppress the alien, the fatherless or the widow and do not shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not follow other gods to your own harm, then I will let you live in this place, in the land I gave your forefathers for ever and ever.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Jeremiah has taken the saying of civil religion, &#8220;this is the temple of the LORD,&#8221; and turned it against oppression. Civil religion didn&#8217;t like it, and it doesn&#8217;t like it anymore today than it did then.</p>
<p></li><li id="footnote_1_2134" class="footnote">Though there is great disagreement with Reagan, Dr. West still rejoiced in the times when Reagan did care for the poor and oppressed, such as those in Eastern Europe under the empire of the Soviet Union.</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Barack Obama&#8217;s Nobel Peace Prize</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[As you may have already seen, Barack Obama has won the Nobel Peace Prize. You can see his <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/09/obama-nobel-speech-video_n_315324.html">response</a>, which I deeply appreciate and respect, though I disagree with parts of it.

First of all, I'll say this: I don't think any United States president is really worthy of an award for peace. As <a href="http://blakehuggins.com/">Blake Huggins</a> put it on Twitter, "if the president of the US winning the nobel peace "prize" signifies anything it is that we haven't a clue what peace really is." I think, in faithfulness to its name, such an award should go to someone like Bono, or the <a href="http://www.invisiblechildren.com/">Invisible Children</a> organization, or any number of similar organizations that are able (willing?) to really focus on peace.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you may have already seen, Barack Obama has won the Nobel Peace Prize. You can see his <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/09/obama-nobel-speech-video_n_315324.html">response</a>, which I deeply appreciate and respect, though I disagree with parts of it.</p>
<p>First of all, I&#8217;ll say this: I don&#8217;t think any United States president is really worthy of an award for peace. As <a href="http://blakehuggins.com/">Blake Huggins</a> put it on Twitter, &#8220;if the president of the US winning the nobel peace &#8220;prize&#8221; signifies anything it is that we haven&#8217;t a clue what peace really is.&#8221; I think, in faithfulness to its name, such an award should go to someone like Bono, or the <a href="http://www.invisiblechildren.com/">Invisible Children</a> organization, or any number of similar organizations that are able (willing?) to really focus on peace.</p>
<p>That being said, it is clear from his remarks that Obama realizes this. He doesn&#8217;t feel worthy of it, and acknowledges the fact that he is engaged in wars. Some will know that Obama is influenced in his thoughts along these lines by <a href="http://www.thestar.com/News/USElection/article/443383">Reinhold Niebuhr&#8217;s Christian Realism</a> (and you should read this short article, as it gives a good glimpse into what is present in Obama), which is at the least a compelling view, though I do not embrace it.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll say this: oftentimes I&#8217;d like to embrace it. It feels easier than an active pacifism. But it doesn&#8217;t resonate with the heart of Jesus, and I&#8217;m skeptical of any who think it does. Our challenge as followers of his heart is not to be realistic; our challenge is to follow his heart when it is realistic, and when it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But the fact that Obama at least goes that far clearly indicates an advancement from the utter heresies that our last government used to baptize its empire.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/NewBeginning/">early summer speech</a> in Cairo has had potentially world-changing effects, from the immediate Iranian uprising to unknown future things. His refusal of the temptation to lend America&#8217;s voice to the Iranians further allowed the country to move forward, and today we see Ahmadinejad with a weakened administration that, in all likelihood, will fall to a nonviolent revolution at some point. His wise diplomacy with Russia, and his attempts to get Israel to act like decent human beings, have all lent weight to the argument that he has done wonderful things.</p>
<p>However, many of us know that Nobel Prize nominations were due shortly after Obama took office. None of these unique accomplishments in trying to bring a more peaceful world had happened. Perhaps the only thing he had done was order the prison at Guantanamo closed. So why the Nobel Prize?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t answer this and don&#8217;t agree with it, though I think it is clear that the vast majority of the world views Barack Obama as a dramatic improvement in America&#8217;s ability to be a decent citizen, and has been willing to give him political capital that he may not deserve at all, simply because, as <a href="http://twitter.com/Chuckumentary/status/4731592324">another person on Twitter</a> said, he could be praised  &#8220;for &#8216;not starting any wars yet&#8217; and being &#8216;way cooler than Bush&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p>As Andrew Sullivan <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/10/all-over-the-world.html">says</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ve had some coffee now. Reading through all the reactions, compiled by Chris and Patrick, there are two obvious points: this is premature and this is thoroughly deserved.</p>
<p>Both are right. I don&#8217;t think Americans fully absorbed the depths to which this country&#8217;s reputation had sunk under the Cheney era. That&#8217;s understandable. And so they also haven&#8217;t fully absorbed the turn-around in the world&#8217;s view of America that Obama and the American people have accomplished. Of course, this has yet to bear real fruit. But you can begin to see how it could; and I hope more see both the peaceful intentions and the steely resolve of this man to persevere.</p>
<p>This president has done a huge amount to bring race relations in this country to a different place, which is why the far right has become so vicious in attacking him and lying about him. They know he threatens their politics of division and rule. He has also directly addressed the Muslim world, telling some hard truths, and played a small role in evoking a similar movement of hope and change in Iran, and finally told the Israelis to stop cutting their nose off to spite their face.</p>
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<p>And this may be the essence of it. Unfortunately, the insanity that is today&#8217;s Right will be able to trash this for years to come because of their own unwillingness to be introspective. But fortunately, the essence of Barack Obama&#8217;s acceptance of the prize could very likely make it worth it:</p>
<blockquote><p>But I also know that this prize reflects the kind of world that those men and women, and all Americans, want to build &#8212; a world that gives life to the promise of our founding documents.  And I know that throughout history, the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it&#8217;s also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes.  And that is why I will accept this award as a call to action &#8212; a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 21st century.</p>
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<p>And that I can support. History will judge it.</p>
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		<title>Personal healthcare overview</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thus far, this blog has been relatively quiet on the issue of healthcare, though I have <a href="http://delicious.com/flamingsole/healthcare">linked to</a> a number of conversations concerning it over the last few months. Feel free to look at those, of course, but this is an attempt to round up my thoughts as they currently stand.

The root of my position rests upon the passionate care that God has, and expects us to have, for the poor. It does not rest upon liberal politics, though in general I am a liberal, nor does it rest upon trust in government or an expectation that government should act like the kingdom of God. I do not trust the government, and do not confuse it with the kingdom of God. Finally, it seems relevant to say that it also does not rest upon personal need. I have great healthcare, provided by my employer. It has paid for several surgeries, for both my wife and myself, and in general is very satisfactory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thus far, this blog has been relatively quiet on the issue of healthcare, though I have <a href="http://delicious.com/flamingsole/healthcare">linked to</a> a number of conversations concerning it over the last few months. Feel free to look at those, of course<sup><a href="http://jonathanstegall.com/2009/09/10/personal-healthcare-overview/#footnote_0_1968" id="identifier_0_1968" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="especially Barack Obama&amp;#8217;s most recent speech">1</a></sup>, but this is an attempt to round up my thoughts as they currently stand.</p>
<p>The root of my position rests upon the passionate care that God has, and expects us to have, for the poor. It does not rest upon liberal politics, though in general I am a liberal, nor does it rest upon trust in government or an expectation that government should act like the kingdom of God. I do not trust the government, and do not confuse it with the kingdom of God.<sup><a href="http://jonathanstegall.com/2009/09/10/personal-healthcare-overview/#footnote_1_1968" id="identifier_1_1968" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="I think it is worth saying here that conservatism, at least in the last few decades, is much more guilty of confusing government with the kingdom of God than is liberalism, but the solution to that is of course not to switch sides in doing the same thing, but rather to do something different.">2</a></sup> Finally, it seems relevant to say that it also does not rest upon personal need. I have great healthcare, provided by my employer. It has paid for several surgeries, for both my wife and myself, and in general is very satisfactory.</p>
<h2>Faithful disagreement on healthcare</h2>
<p>The reason I start with those things is that I am well aware that people can hold all of those beliefs as passionately as I do, and disagree on whether or not the government should provide healthcare for everyone. I&#8217;ve made clear my passionate admiration for the Anabaptist way of the kingdom of God, and many people who follow that way do not believe this is the government&#8217;s place.</p>
<p>The reason I&#8217;m okay with this is that many of these people devote their lives on a daily basis to helping the poor themselves, including providing them with healthcare through <a href="http://www.theordinaryradicals.com/blog/archives/726">co-ops</a> and <a href="http://relationaltithe.com/">relational giving</a>. I love this, and this is one of the things the kingdom of God should be doing in the world today. One of the reasons the early church spread as much as it did was that it devoted the vast majority of its money to helping the poor and taking care of the sick. Instead of doing as we do, and spending it on salaries and buildings and giving the leftovers away, the early followers of Jesus gave it all away, and spent the leftovers on their own survival.</p>
<p>Fantastic. I want to be in communities like this, and give money and time to communities like this.</p>
<p>I also started with the root of my position because I believe it is essential to the kingdom of God. Most of the conservative part of the church rejects government involvement in healthcare, not because it wants to provide healthcare for the poor itself (which is possibly the biggest understatement I&#8217;ve ever written on this blog), but because it conflicts with Republican ideology. This is the same reason it supports economic avarice, war, its own definition of marriage, and imperialism, and I often wonder if it is not also the reason that it does not support abortion.</p>
<p>This is not something on which I think compromise is warranted or faithful: if conservative Christians do not want the government to provide an affordable healthcare option for everyone, <strong>they should do it themselves</strong>.</p>
<h2>Why I support a public option</h2>
<p>In light of all this, I want to end with why I <em>do</em> support the government providing a public healthcare option, though I&#8217;m willing to see faithfulness in the alternative position I&#8217;ve mentioned.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve indicated my love for those who are devoting their time, money, and lives to the poor and oppressed and include healthcare as part of this. But the fact is that the vast majority of the church does not do this, or have any interest in doing this. It&#8217;s incredibly unlikely that any large denomination or religious organization will ever put the kind of financial resources behind an effort like this that are necessary to have a significant impact, or even compare to the kind that the government can devote.</p>
<p>This is fine, as denominations and organizations often have the same issues that government has. But it is also true that there are not enough individuals, individual churches, or non-profits with the heart that is willing to work for this in the small ways of the kingdom of Jesus. I believe we should pray and seek this, in the hopes that the poor can come to us rather than going to the government, but that cannot happen today.</p>
<p>In light of this, I believe that the most realistic way for us to care for those without healthcare, right now, is to support a public option. But realism is not the only reason, as it is often realistic to support war and other government actions that I cannot support. The combination that I can support is realism with compassion and justice. I do not expect our government to act with compassion, but whenever it does I can support it and go alongside it, even while hoping for the kingdom of God to bring those things.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1968" class="footnote">especially Barack Obama&#8217;s <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-to-a-Joint-Session-of-Congress-on-Health-Care/">most recent speech</a></li><li id="footnote_1_1968" class="footnote">I think it is worth saying here that conservatism, at least in the last few decades, is much more guilty of confusing government with the kingdom of God than is liberalism, but the solution to that is of course not to switch sides in doing the same thing, but rather to do something different.</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>A church story, on Pentecostals, Anabaptists, and politics</title>
		<link>http://jonathanstegall.com/2009/08/16/a-church-story-on-pentecostals-anabaptists-and-politics/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I've said here before, when I look at church history I see strong, real links between the nonviolent, prophetic, anti-Imperial life that Jesus advocated for his followers, and the charismatic, Spirit-filled life that he advocated for those same followers. Often, over the centuries, the two emerged together (the very early church, some elements of the Desert Fathers, various mystics, the Anabaptists, and then the Pentecostals). Often, they faded together (most of these examples lost one element, both elements, or faded into obscurity).

The coinciding emergence of these two sides happened most recently in the beginnings of the Pentecostal movement, as I've said, though the pacifism and, indeed, political independence of any kind, of the early Pentecostals has all but faded into allegiance to conservatism as it now exists in America.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I&#8217;ve said here before, when I look at church history I see strong, real links between the nonviolent, prophetic, anti-Imperial life that Jesus advocated for his followers<sup><a href="http://jonathanstegall.com/2009/08/16/a-church-story-on-pentecostals-anabaptists-and-politics/#footnote_0_1858" id="identifier_0_1858" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="For more on this, see Jesus For President, A People&amp;#8217;s History of Christianity, The Politics of Jesus, and other works, including Peace to War: Shifting Allegiances in the Assemblies of God for a specifically Pentecostal perspective">1</a></sup>, and the charismatic, Spirit-filled life that he advocated for those same followers<sup><a href="http://jonathanstegall.com/2009/08/16/a-church-story-on-pentecostals-anabaptists-and-politics/#footnote_1_1858" id="identifier_1_1858" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="For more on this, see 2000 Years of Charismatic Christianity, especially, though there are other good works. But I&amp;#8217;ll admit &amp;#8211; this one is harder, since there are not as many good scholars of Pentecostalism as there should be">2</a></sup>. Often, over the centuries, the two emerged together (the very early church, some elements of the Desert Fathers, various mystics, the Anabaptists, and then the Pentecostals). Often, they faded together (most of these examples lost one element, both elements, or faded into obscurity).</p>
<p>The coinciding emergence of these two sides happened most recently in the beginnings of the Pentecostal movement, as I&#8217;ve said, though the pacifism and, indeed, political independence of any kind, of the early Pentecostals <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1931038589?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jonathanstega-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1931038589">has all but faded</a> into allegiance to conservatism as it now exists in America.</p>
<p>A story to illustrate this: when I was in college, dating Kiera, we were invited to attend a certain rally/meeting/event with a specific speaker who is still fairly well known in certain circles on Valentine&#8217;s Day of 2003. For whatever reason, we went. First mistake, I&#8217;m sure. As you may remember, this was the time when the United States was preparing to go to war with Iraq. The political figures of both parties were busy scaring everyone with tales of weapons of mass destruction, links to terrorism, and other such things that we now know were false.</p>
<p>At the time, I had just begun to be interested in politics, after having spent several years writing it off as irrelevant, for various reasons. I had already been unwilling to see the Religious Right as the Christian option, and didn&#8217;t know enough to look into other visions of political activity. But by this time, I was angry at the government&#8217;s response to 9/11 and its evil rhetoric leading up to the invasion of Iraq, and anger had made me care.</p>
<p>So on the religious side of things, there were events like the one we attended. The main thrust of the message (which came after a statement that we should &#8220;pay&#8221; for revival instead of &#8220;pray&#8221; for revival) included the worst scriptural interpretation I have ever encountered, where the speaker believed that Jeremiah prophesied that God would &#8220;Bush Babylon.&#8221; He proceeded to tell us, of course, that the American invasion of Iraq was God&#8217;s method of &#8220;bushing&#8221; Babylon. During the time when the speaker had the crowd march around the sanctuary, with its crystal dove-shaped chandelier, chanting &#8220;War, War, War,&#8221; Kiera and I and our two friends, who were equally against the war, walked out, shaken by the heresy we had witnessed.</p>
<p>As the year moved on toward the invasion, I was one of the voices on the Pentecostal college I attended that asked, when classes prayed for American soldiers, to pray for the Iraqi soldiers, and the other people there. As my theology and understanding of how God has worked in the church has developed over the years, I have moved into the belief that nonviolence is an integral part of following God in the way of Jesus.</p>
<p>As I have reflected on these things, I have grown a desire for people to see the division that has come into the Pentecostal movement in the last several decades, from the original Pentecostals who refused to fight in the World Wars to the present day, when examples like the one I have recounted are not as isolated as I wish they were. As I have become acquainted with the present-day peace churches &#8211; the various streams of Anabaptist faith that have preserved this understanding of the kingdom of God, and the ways they have moved into Emergent and the broader emerging church &#8211; including people like Shane Claiborne, the wonderful folks at <a href="http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/">Jesus Manifesto</a>, and others &#8211; I have wondered why the link isn&#8217;t observed more often than it is.</p>
<p>Anabaptist theology, from what I know of it, has always been open to supernatural experiences and such things that characterize the Pentecostal movement these days. At their beginning, Anabaptists were the &#8220;heirs&#8221; of what we now call Pentecostal experience in the 16th century. The movement has also had at its core the vision that the kingdom of God looks like Jesus, and that Christianity must imitate him, and thus cannot resort to hatred and violence. As another example of my overall point, they are <a href="http://www.gregboyd.org/blog/it-turns-out-im-a-mennonite/">currently in danger</a> of losing this core vision of the nonviolent kingdom of Jesus.</p>
<p>Greg Boyd has written <a href="http://www.gregboyd.org/blog/a-word-to-my-mennonite-friends-cherish-your-treasure/">several</a> <a href="http://www.gregboyd.org/blog/random-updates/">important</a> <a href="http://www.gregboyd.org/blog/a-night-with-mennonites-and-jim-wallis/">posts</a> specifically related to Mennonites, as the heirs of the Anabaptist tradition, about how they must not run away from this vision.</p>
<p>My current question, then, is this: can the two distinctives that have been, throughout church history, the easiest to de-emphasize, choose one and then lose the other, or pretend never existed, be brought together again? Can this happen within Emergent, and the broader movement of emergence Christianity?</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1858" class="footnote">For more on this, see <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310278422?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jonathanstega-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310278422">Jesus For President</a>, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061448702?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jonathanstega-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0061448702">A People&#8217;s History of Christianity</a>, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802807348?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jonathanstega-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0802807348">The Politics of Jesus</a>, and other works, including <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1931038589?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jonathanstega-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1931038589">Peace to War: Shifting Allegiances in the Assemblies of God</a> for a specifically Pentecostal perspective</li><li id="footnote_1_1858" class="footnote">For more on this, see <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0884198723?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jonathanstega-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0884198723">2000 Years of Charismatic Christianity</a>, especially, though there are other good works. But I&#8217;ll admit &#8211; this one is harder, since there are not as many good scholars of Pentecostalism as there should be</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe this will be an image that we will look back on and remember the way many remember Tiananmen, twenty years later. I encourage you to look through the Picasa gallery where this photo appears, as well as <a href="http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_disputed_election.html">these larger versions</a> at boston.com. Some of these images are graphic.]]></description>
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<p class="caption"><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/bahramks/RiotsInTehran#">Riots in Tehran</a></p>
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<p>I believe this will be an image that we will look back on and remember the way many remember Tiananmen, twenty years later. I encourage you to look through the Picasa gallery where this photo appears, as well as <a href="http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_disputed_election.html">these larger versions</a> at boston.com. Some of these images are graphic.</p>
<p>Many people are pointing out the similarities of this photo and other iconic ones to the photos we have of events like Tiananmen, and some are also pointing out the differences. Many who were at Tiananmen have said that the Iranians are not alone like they were. Twitter has made many of us see these events in a way that was not previously possible.</p>
<p>It is fascinating to see the outpouring of help that people have offered, from people sharing internet proxies, delaying Twitter maintenance, changing color schemes, sharing photos and videos and other information. I&#8217;ve never seen anything like this. Cable news has failed us. It is either ignoring the situation, or following Twitter, the blogs, some network news, and a couple of newspapers.</p>
<p>Obama has wisely stayed out of endorsing either side, <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/obamas-words-from-iran.html">for which the Iranians are grateful</a>, and the Iranians are excited about things like internet proxies, popular websites turning green, and support.</p>
<p>But this is fitting, in a way. The Iranians are using <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/face-of-the-day-10.html">street art</a>, new technology, and the language of hope to seek change. They are staying, for the most part, <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/a-deafening-silence.html">quiet and peaceful</a>, seeking reform.</p>
<p>May we remember this, and continue to support them.</p>
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		<title>The revolution will be twittered</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In case you are not aware, there has been a vast amount of <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23iranelection">immediate coverage</a> of Iran's election on Twitter the last couple of days. There is an outpouring of support, information, photos, and other information from those within Iran - students stuck in their dorms, protesters, and so on - as well as those outside who hope to show support for a peaceful revolution in that country.

In contrast to this revealed power of Twitter, the mainstream media has been either <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/15/business/media/15cable.html?_r=1">late or absent</a> in its own coverage. CNN has recovered during the latter part of today (Sunday), but others have not even done this. It has been Twitter and blogs such as <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/">Andrew Sullivan</a>'s that have given us information and insight into what is occurring there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you are not aware, there has been a vast amount of <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23iranelection">immediate coverage</a> of Iran&#8217;s election on Twitter the last couple of days. There is an outpouring of support, information, photos, and other information from those within Iran &#8211; students stuck in their dorms, protesters, and so on &#8211; as well as those outside who hope to show support for a peaceful revolution in that country.</p>
<p>In contrast to this revealed power of Twitter, the mainstream media has been either <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/15/business/media/15cable.html?_r=1">late or absent</a> in its own coverage. CNN has recovered during the latter part of today (Sunday), but others have not even done this. It has been Twitter and blogs such as <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/">Andrew Sullivan</a>&#8216;s that have given us information and insight into what is occurring there.</p>
<p>We know that this election has the potential to be a gamechanger in Iran&#8217;s status with relation to the rest of the world. It is clear from some blogs and other coverage that some within the United States would prefer Ahmadinejad to stay in power, regardless of the legitimacy of his election.</p>
<p>But most of us would do well to watch this, as it shows the powerful desire for change that exists in the Iranian people, and the hope for a peaceful change. I want to leave with this quote, and encourage you to watch the Twitter coverage, and watch Andrew Sullivan&#8217;s coverage, and wear green tomorrow in support of peace.</p>
<blockquote><p>In situations like these, peer-to-peer media is essential. Send all you&#8217;ve got to me. We&#8217;ll do our best to assess, edit, and post. There is no neutrality in this. Every blogger is now an honorary member of the resistance. We are at war too &#8211; for peace and democracy.</p>
<p><cite>Andrew Sullivan</cite></p></blockquote>
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		<title>We tortured.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the last couple of weeks, it has been officially revealed beyond doubt, first from the Red Cross, and then from the Bush Torture Memos, that we tortured. It has been revealed not to be the actions of a few rogue soldiers or CIA agents, but official policy from the highest levels of the Bush Administration, with lawyers fabricating legal opinions to justify the breaking of treaties, betrayal of values, and hypocrisy.

This did not occur simply in the aftermath of 9/11 (the "ticking time bomb"), but endured after the 2004 election into 2005 as well. Nor was it a rare occurrence, but was used (as far as we know) more than 180 times in one month on one person. This was an official policy, not just in Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay, but in numerous other black sites.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the last couple of weeks, it has been officially revealed beyond doubt, first from the Red Cross, and then from the Bush Torture Memos, that we tortured. It has been revealed not to be the actions of a few rogue soldiers or CIA agents, but official policy from the highest levels of the Bush Administration, with lawyers fabricating legal opinions to justify the breaking of treaties, betrayal of values, and hypocrisy.</p>
<p>This did not occur simply in the aftermath of 9/11 (the &#8220;ticking time bomb&#8221;), but endured after the 2004 election into 2005 as well. Nor was it a rare occurrence, but was used (as far as we know) more than 180 times in one month on one person. This was an official policy, not just in Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay, but in numerous other black sites.</p>
<p>Our torture techniques were the same techniques, with the same legal justifications, that we have condemned and legally prosecuted in numerous other regimes, from <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/the-nuremberg-principle.html">Nazi Germany</a> to communist Russia, to the <a href="http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/04/hbc-90004803">dystopia of George Orwell&#8217;s <em>1984</em></a>, to <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/we-are-now-indonesia.html">various other</a> totalitarian or oppressive regimes. We used techniques that, admittedly, were illegal in United States territory but could safely be ignored outside of it.</p>
<p>Now that all has been revealed, it can no longer be argued. Now, the only thing left to us is what kind of response we will have. Various outlets of conservatism have had no response, or have fumbled to continue justifying these actions in the name of ticking time bombs and arbitrary actions averted, for which there is now evidence that no such aversions were the goals of these programs.</p>
<p>No. Those on the right have been too concerned with announcing that Barack Obama is a fascist. I&#8217;ve seen statements that he has taken over the economy with steps similar to those by Nazi Germany and Communist Russia.</p>
<p>Do you see the parallels here? It&#8217;s fascinating to see what the two sides of American politics value, these days. The right is interested in the free market working itself out, as if it has shown evidence that it is capable of doing so. It&#8217;s angry that Obama is raising the budget by minuscule percentages, compared to last year&#8217;s under Bush, angry that he is cutting defense budgets (though the overall defense budget is actually going up), angry that he wants to raise taxes by 3% on wealthy Americans, and angry that he is bothering to look back at the torture issue.</p>
<p>It is frightening to me that, even though he has insisted upon releasing these memos and allowing the discussion to be held, he does not appear to be interested in taking any action. The lawyers and political officials who structured these policies are war criminals, and are not being treated as such. The logical conclusion of this is that there is a precedent that torture will not be prosecuted. This may come back to us in another administration, or after another event, or at some other unknown time, but I think it will come back if we do not make it known that this is unacceptable.</p>
<p>So anyway: when the right is angry about these things, it accuses him, and has tea parties to accuse him, of being both a fascist and a socialist, which is an entertaining use of two incompatible words that most Americans don&#8217;t really understand. The left, of course, spent years accusing Bush of fascism, for overwhelming expansion of executive power, illegal surveillance, propaganda, militarism, and torture, among other things.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said before that we do not have the option of small government in present-day American politics. We have a choice between two different kinds of big government. Each side views the other as fascist, and maybe socialist. Neither side really seems to know what either word means. But each side values entirely different things.</p>
<p>And here is the point: these last few days mark a time in history in which the State, in all its structures of power on both sides, has put itself in opposition to the Cross. We who live by that Cross &#8211; whether we voted for Obama and have been pleased with the positive steps he has taken, or not &#8211; cannot ignore this moment.</p>
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