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		<title>By: Allan Svensson</title>
		<link>http://jonathanstegall.com/2008/05/15/pentecostals-and-revival/#comment-495</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Svensson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.
I found your Web Site by Google
And I wish you the best you can get,
the peace of God through Jesus Christ.

Welcome to visit my Site.
Allan Svensson, Sweden

Why does the revival tarry?  It is because God&#039;s
people tarry to obey the powerful command of
the Lord in Rev. 18:4.  This is the most powerful 
revival message of the Lord to his people in our time.
http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/INDEX.HTM

The coming revival, a nameless revival
http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/POWERFUL.HTM

Why was the Pentecostal Revival stopped?
http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/CRISIS.HTM

As in the days of Lot, it is now. Lot was not interested 
to leave Sodom. God sent two angels to rescue him. 
One of the angels said to him: &quot;Flee for your life sake ...&quot;    
Just like as Lot, God&#039;s people are not interested to leave 
the great Babylon, but finally they must flee for 
their life from there.
http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/PAGE88.HTM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.<br />
I found your Web Site by Google<br />
And I wish you the best you can get,<br />
the peace of God through Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Welcome to visit my Site.<br />
Allan Svensson, Sweden</p>
<p>Why does the revival tarry?  It is because God&#8217;s<br />
people tarry to obey the powerful command of<br />
the Lord in Rev. 18:4.  This is the most powerful<br />
revival message of the Lord to his people in our time.<br />
<a href="http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/INDEX.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/INDEX.HTM</a></p>
<p>The coming revival, a nameless revival<br />
<a href="http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/POWERFUL.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/POWERFUL.HTM</a></p>
<p>Why was the Pentecostal Revival stopped?<br />
<a href="http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/CRISIS.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/CRISIS.HTM</a></p>
<p>As in the days of Lot, it is now. Lot was not interested<br />
to leave Sodom. God sent two angels to rescue him.<br />
One of the angels said to him: &#8220;Flee for your life sake &#8230;&#8221;<br />
Just like as Lot, God&#8217;s people are not interested to leave<br />
the great Babylon, but finally they must flee for<br />
their life from there.<br />
<a href="http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/PAGE88.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/PAGE88.HTM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt Hardy</title>
		<link>http://jonathanstegall.com/2008/05/15/pentecostals-and-revival/#comment-307</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would totally agree with Graham Cooke. I would say that for there to be true revival, it needs to change people outside of the church and affect the culture around us. I would say that there are (and have been) many &quot;moves of God&quot; or &quot;outpourings&quot; but in my personal opinion, I feel that until these outbreaks touch and change the world around us in a real, tangible way, I&#039;d say that it mightn&#039;t be &quot;revival&quot;.

I guess I&#039;d say that for me, God can move but if the people in the midst of the move don&#039;t change and affect others around them, I wouldn&#039;t call it revival.

That being said, I was down in Lakeland for a week, and it was amazing. 

The atmosphere was charged with the presence of God, and the focus was completely on the Lord when I was there. Every service started with about 2 hours of worship, where oftentimes the crowd would worship the Lord spontaneously. Some people would even get healed in their seats during this time. No one would pray for them, they would just get healed, and you&#039;d see that section of the stadium erupt as the person began praising the Lord and testifying right there of what He&#039;d just done.

How did I know that people were getting healed without anyone praying for them? Good question. A fair question, even. Becase I was standing right beside one woman who had this happen.

Good for you - for praying for revival and contributing to what is going on there today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would totally agree with Graham Cooke. I would say that for there to be true revival, it needs to change people outside of the church and affect the culture around us. I would say that there are (and have been) many &#8220;moves of God&#8221; or &#8220;outpourings&#8221; but in my personal opinion, I feel that until these outbreaks touch and change the world around us in a real, tangible way, I&#8217;d say that it mightn&#8217;t be &#8220;revival&#8221;.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;d say that for me, God can move but if the people in the midst of the move don&#8217;t change and affect others around them, I wouldn&#8217;t call it revival.</p>
<p>That being said, I was down in Lakeland for a week, and it was amazing. </p>
<p>The atmosphere was charged with the presence of God, and the focus was completely on the Lord when I was there. Every service started with about 2 hours of worship, where oftentimes the crowd would worship the Lord spontaneously. Some people would even get healed in their seats during this time. No one would pray for them, they would just get healed, and you&#8217;d see that section of the stadium erupt as the person began praising the Lord and testifying right there of what He&#8217;d just done.</p>
<p>How did I know that people were getting healed without anyone praying for them? Good question. A fair question, even. Becase I was standing right beside one woman who had this happen.</p>
<p>Good for you &#8211; for praying for revival and contributing to what is going on there today!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://jonathanstegall.com/2008/05/15/pentecostals-and-revival/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above comment has a great point, though I think it is a bit more of a blanket statement than I would make. I believe there are deep wrongs that exist with the way American Christians look at revival, just like there are deep wrongs with the way American Christians look at a lot of other things.

However, I don&#039;t think we can write off these episodes of revival, including the various things that have happened in Lakeland, Pensacola, Toronto, etc. as having nothing good to offer. There are major issues. Major problems. But there is work of the Spirit that has happened in all of them.

In any case, the great point that the above comment makes is that we need reformation. Massively. Our way of seeking the Spirit needs to be &lt;a href=&quot;http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/charismatic-chaos-or-holy-spirited-deconstruction/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;deconstructed&lt;/a&gt;, because to a large extent it doesn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above comment has a great point, though I think it is a bit more of a blanket statement than I would make. I believe there are deep wrongs that exist with the way American Christians look at revival, just like there are deep wrongs with the way American Christians look at a lot of other things.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t think we can write off these episodes of revival, including the various things that have happened in Lakeland, Pensacola, Toronto, etc. as having nothing good to offer. There are major issues. Major problems. But there is work of the Spirit that has happened in all of them.</p>
<p>In any case, the great point that the above comment makes is that we need reformation. Massively. Our way of seeking the Spirit needs to be <a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/charismatic-chaos-or-holy-spirited-deconstruction/" rel="nofollow">deconstructed</a>, because to a large extent it doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Kingdom of God &#38; You</title>
		<link>http://jonathanstegall.com/2008/05/15/pentecostals-and-revival/#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>Kingdom of God &#38; You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 04:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What north America needs is reformation. Unfortunately, the church here is infatuated with revival, especially the pentecostal/charismatic brand. Actually, what they like is the showmanship. If you&#039;ve noticed, the show focuses on the man on the platform. It&#039;s so outdated and out of tune with the Holy Spirit. 

Meanwhile, quietly, a reformation is taking place in Ukraine. An evangelical church had tremendous influence on the Orange Revolution of 2004 and is now having impact in all spheres of the Ukrainian society. No, they do not have North American style revival meetings. Why, because they are not effective. Some information about this can be found at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.churchshift.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Churchshift&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What north America needs is reformation. Unfortunately, the church here is infatuated with revival, especially the pentecostal/charismatic brand. Actually, what they like is the showmanship. If you&#8217;ve noticed, the show focuses on the man on the platform. It&#8217;s so outdated and out of tune with the Holy Spirit. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, quietly, a reformation is taking place in Ukraine. An evangelical church had tremendous influence on the Orange Revolution of 2004 and is now having impact in all spheres of the Ukrainian society. No, they do not have North American style revival meetings. Why, because they are not effective. Some information about this can be found at <a href="http://www.churchshift.org" rel="nofollow">Churchshift</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://jonathanstegall.com/2008/05/15/pentecostals-and-revival/#comment-253</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 03:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

I think it depends on how you define &quot;revival&quot; and &quot;renewal.&quot; Some people use them synonymously, and some do not. Graham Cooke, who I quoted in the post, sees it something like this:
&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Renewal - renewing the church&#039;s passion for God&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Revival - renewing the church&#039;s passion for people - inclusive of sharing Jesus with those who do not know him, social justice, etc.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Reformation - subversive transformation of society by the kingdom of God and the power of the Spirit - i.e. Charles Finney, in the 19th century, would walk into factories and people would fall on their knees and turn to Jesus (after which, they would probably join the abolitionist movement).&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;
I find a compelling argument in his definitions, but certainly they are open to interpretation. What do you think?

Thanks for commenting, by the way. I appreciate the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I think it depends on how you define &#8220;revival&#8221; and &#8220;renewal.&#8221; Some people use them synonymously, and some do not. Graham Cooke, who I quoted in the post, sees it something like this:</p>
<ol>
<li>Renewal &#8211; renewing the church&#8217;s passion for God</li>
<li>Revival &#8211; renewing the church&#8217;s passion for people &#8211; inclusive of sharing Jesus with those who do not know him, social justice, etc.</li>
<li>Reformation &#8211; subversive transformation of society by the kingdom of God and the power of the Spirit &#8211; i.e. Charles Finney, in the 19th century, would walk into factories and people would fall on their knees and turn to Jesus (after which, they would probably join the abolitionist movement).</li>
</ol>
<p>I find a compelling argument in his definitions, but certainly they are open to interpretation. What do you think?</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting, by the way. I appreciate the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Cline</title>
		<link>http://jonathanstegall.com/2008/05/15/pentecostals-and-revival/#comment-252</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Cline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 12:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any difference, substance or result, of &quot;revival&quot; versus &quot;renewal?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any difference, substance or result, of &#8220;revival&#8221; versus &#8220;renewal?&#8221;</p>
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